Log Cabin Pubs

Our Log Cabins have been put into use for a range of reasons: home offices, summer houses, workshops.. You name it! But one use that has become a huge trend lately is to turn the Log Cabin into a garden pub.

An Inside View Of The Laula Log Cabin

A Laula Log Cabin transformed into a colourful garden bar

Pubs are just a part of British culture, you can’t deny it – So imagine the convenience of having one in your own garden, you’d gain the jealousy of all your neighbours!

We’re lucky enough to receive a load of photos of these garden pubs- But I’m sure there are plenty more out there.

An Inside View Of A Julia Garden Pub

This neon lit Julia Log Cabin seems to be the perfect social location

With the World Cup around the corner, a Log Cabin being used for a mancave/pub is the perfect solution to be able to concentrate on the game in peace- With freedom to cheer as loud as you want (keep the neighbours in mind though!)

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The Aiste Log Cabin proves to be a popular choice for many intended uses, especially Garden Pubs.

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And, if you use an appropriate Log Cabin Treatment, a Log Cabin can become a plain canvas for your creativity. Like these customers, who used the Olson Log Cabin to make a seaside escape pub ready for the summer ahead:

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Though when thinking of a garden pub, stock is a very important factor.. The Julia Log Cabin is a great candidate for a garden pub, at 3m x 5m there’s plenty of space to place the bar towards the end and space seating around the rest of the length- Ideal for large drinking groups.

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I wonder if we could turn one of our showsite cabins into a pub…

Yorick Garden Pub

The Yorick Log Cabin provides plenty of light for cocktail hour.

This is one of my favourite pubs that we’ve been sent in, using the Peter Log Cabin. These customers tried to stick to the British roots of culture by styling the interior like a traditional pub, from the peanuts to the coasters:

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Just as I was writing this post – We even received another picture set of a converted Log Cabin, these customers used the Meaghan 4.5m x 4.5m Log Cabin as a spacial garden pub. A guaranteed neighbourhood favourite.

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This American styled bar is within an Aiste Log Cabin – Just look at the bar table!

Aiste Log Cabin Bar

Another Aiste Log Cabin with a more traditional looking bar compared to the one above – This one appropriately labelled by the customer as “The Boozy Coo”

Aiste Log Cabin Pub

This is a recent Ingmar Log Cabin that’s been transformed into a garden bar – At 3.8m x 3m the Ingmar is an ideal size for those with limited space available, and they finished it all just in time for the England match!

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This Justine Log Cabin has been converted into an ultimate lounge area, one side is fitted with a TV and sofa, the other is turned into this beautifully monochrome pub area – I love the monochrome look in this cabin, it makes the cabin look bright and clean.

Justine Log Cabin Pub

This Ben Clockhouse Log Cabin has definitely proved that a cabin can serve multiple uses- Which has turned into the ultimate social location, with a hot tub placed under the canopy and the enclosed cabin being used for a garden pub:

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And hey, don’t just take our word for the quality of our Log Cabins – the Tuin Trustpilot Reviews even appear to show this trend. Comparing our customer service and products to some well loved beer brands!

Tuin Trustpilot Review

Beer and cake.. Its a solid suggestion!

Tuin Trustpilot Review

You can’t argue when it comes to Carlsberg

These are just a handful of the images our amazing customers send us, if you liked viewing these- Follow our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages we also have plenty of boards on the Tuin Pinterest page.

If a garden pub isn’t for you, there are plenty of other ways to utilise a Log Cabin, see our Uses Of A Log Cabin post for plenty of inspiration!

Wolfgang Log Cabin Feature

On the Wolfgang Log Cabin product page, we like to give you the nitty gritties of the product in terms of dimensions, technical installation tips and the best feature of said product.

But, on this page we let our previous customers voice their opinion on the Wolfgang Log Cabin and let them show you their thoughts, ideas and pictures! So here goes.

The Wolfgang Log Cabin

Wolfgang 45mm log cabin with integral shed

A unique style, manufactured using 45mm interlocking logs with straight cut logs (not diamond as may be shown later), the Wolfgang Log Cabin features a wide, low pitched roof for a cosy and homely feel. Other features include the side annexe for storage purposes, double glazed windows and doors and a height of 2.5m- Making it suitable for most UK gardens without planning permission, always check with your local council though! Overall the Wolfgang Log Cabin measures to 5.3m x 4.5m

Reviews:

With all of these features, you can really see why we love the Wolfgang and our customers agree too- with an average customer rating of five stars. Here are a few excerpts from some of the Wolfgang Log Cabin Reviews:

“I can now understand why there are so many 5 star reviews for tuindeco products. Delighted with my purchase of a Wolfgang cabin. High quality workmanship and excellent service. I would highly recommend this company.”- Mr. R O’Donnell  

“Superb piece of engineering! The only way it could have been easier is if it had been a pop-up version! Would highly recommend this cabin.”- Mr. C Wood
“Wolfgang Log Cabin 5.3m x 3.0m/4.5m double glazed. The whole experience from order to delivery and installation has been positive with emails and queries responded to quickly and promptly providing a stress free process. Overall this has been a trouble free build and the quality is fantastic. I would recommend this Cabin and Tuin to anyone. Enjoy your build.”- Mr. P Martin
We also have a more detailed report of the Wolfgang, written by Richard, of the timing it will take to install the Wolfgang depending on your confidence and experience:

Installation:

The installation for the Wolfgang Log Cabin is a simple process, so long as you keep organised. You can find loads of information in order to be fully prepared for installing your Log Cabin on the Essential Installation Manual as well as plenty of other Log Cabin Fitting Tips throughout the blog, from our expert (practically), Richard.

Here is one of our favourite installation sets of images:

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Installed:

And when installed and treated/painted… Its just a showstopper… Here are just a few of our favourite customer installs:

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Videos:

We have also received a few videos, so you can experience the Wolfgang Log Cabin from all angles, simply click on one below to start watching:

Customer Pictures:

If you would like to see more photos from customers please click on the picture below – Note: This will take you to our customers photo gallery hosted by Google Photos. Pictures may show older models or customer own modifications.

Customer pictures of the Wolfgang log cabin

The 45mm double glazed wolfgang, paired with Roof and Floor Insulation is a recipe for a perfect summerhouse!

The Wolfgang Log Cabin

Wolfgang 45mm log cabin with integral shed

For more details such as measurements and the breakdown of what comes within the self build kit, please look at the Wolfgang Log Cabin product page.

If the Wolfgang isnt quite what you imagined for your garden, discover the Clockhouse Log Cabin and the Lukas Log Cabin.

Lukas Log Cabin Feature

On the Lukas Log Cabin product page, we try to give you every detail needed to show you why you would want the Lukas in your garden. With dimensions, technical tips and some customer images.

But sometimes, that doesn’t do the cabin enough justice.. So on this page we let our previous customers voice their opinion on the Lukas log cabin and let them give you their thoughts, ideas or pictures:

Lukas Log Cabin

Made from 34mm logs and comes with an adjoining shed to the side.

The Lukas 34mm log cabin with adjoining shed measuring 4.4m x 3.0m with a 50cm porch area to the front.  The integral shed area measures 1.50m, making this both a stylish and useful cabin. It comes with a double half glazed door, one single half glazed door and one double window. The log thickness and adjacent shed makes the Lucas Log Cabin ideal as a summerhouse.

Reviews: 

You dont have to take our word for it, the Lukas has an average customer rating of 5 stars! Here are just a few excerpts from the Lukas Log Cabin Review page:

“The Lukas Log Cabin really is a great product. Really well made and very easy to put together. The delivery was fantastic and on time. All parts were correct and packed well to ensure no damage in transport.” – Mr. Simmons 

“I am 100% satisfied with this product, their service and the cost. My son can now have his own soft play and sensory area with the double doors making it easy to get his wheelchair in and out.” – Mr Higgins 

“The best part of all is looking at our cabin standing proud in our garden…….. OK I jumped the gun, we had to erect it first. With some friends and a lot of fun it was up in two days. Someone has said it is like Lego blocks, yes it is. The roof covering does take a little longer, we got the IKO roof shingles the extra work is well worth the finished look.” – Mr Araujo 

We also have a few more detailed reviews, paired with images to show you the customer’s experience of installing their Log Cabin:

Installation: 

So long as you keep organised, calm and have read the Essential Installation Manual as well as some of the other Log Cabin Fitting Tip pages throughout the blog- your installation of the Lukas Log Cabin should be a simple process.

Here’s an example set of a Lukas Log Cabin installation:

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Installed: 

Due to most customers using their Lukas Log Cabin for a summerhouse, in order to increase the usage of the 34mm logs- Most opted to treat their log cabin with stained/tinted treatments, here are some examples of what you could do after installation:

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Videos:

There are also a few walkthrough videos of the Lukas Log Cabin for you to get an immersive view:

Customer Pictures: 

If you would like to see more photo’s from customers please click on the picture below – Note: This will take you to our customers photo gallery hosted by Google Photos. Pictures may show older models or customer own modifications.

Lukas log cabin customer gallery

It’s clear as to why the Lukas makes an ideal summerhouse or work/craft room- plus the height of 2.36m makes it ideal for UK gardens!

Lukas Log Cabin

For more details such as measurements and the breakdown of what comes within the self build kit, please look at the Lukas Log Cabin product page.

If you’re looking for something with a thicker log, maybe you’ll benefit from looking at: Aiste Log Cabin Feature or the Stian Log Cabin Feature.

Best Time to Buy a Log Cabin

It always amazes me how quiet everything suddenly goes in this industry once the leaves start dropping and Autumn is here, it gets worse when the clocks go back. For me it’s time to put my feet up a bit, grab a quick holiday and some time with the family.

I do think though us humans are funny creatures, as soon as it gets a bit murky we’re not interested in anything outside, especially the garden. But, as soon as it gets light and sunny again we’re away.

You might be interested in this graph of how busy we have been.

November, December and January are the best times to buy your log cabin

The graph shows our busiest period over a 12 months. This is the same for every company I’ve been involved within the garden industry.

Sales start in January as people look forward to the Spring. Then it builds to the crescendo of March and April. Then drops steadily down until the summer holidays. Then some renewed interest as the weather stays nice. Then, strangely September and October we sell a lot of bigger buildings. In a previous job we’d sell a lot of garages.

Then comes the clock change, the weather gets rubbish and bam, that’s that for a few months and I get to relax and chip off somewhere hot.

But we still have a nice trickle through of customers and these are perhaps the clever, canny customers. They waited and are planning for the Spring next year, perhaps they know how the garden industry works?

Simply put, if you want anything major for your garden late Autumn and early Winter is the time to buy as the prices will be the lowest possible!

I found an interesting article on a recent search which was as a result of a survey on the best time of year to buy various items from computers to gym membership. Strangely they didn’t survey the garden industry which is a shame as it’s worth just over £5 Billion a year in the UK, we do love our gardens!

If they had surveyed the garden sector they would have found that the best time to buy for your garden is November, December and January.

Perhaps you wouldn’t buy a fence or a planter, or even garden furniture. But these months are the time to buy a major expense such as a shed, summerhouse or log cabin.

This three month slot is the best time to buy a log cabin, gazebo or any major expense because:

  • Lowest possible prices
  • Retailers will be wanting to remove stock to make way for the new season.
  • Timber price and product prices will start to rise the middle of January early February.
  • Hauliers will be re-negotiating costs which will trigger late January early February.
  • Retailers will need to maintain a cash flow.
  • The very best service is often given in the quiet months as staff are a lot less busy and can often give you far more attention.
  • Prices will be at their lowest to maintain and encourage sales, lots of deals will be on offer.

We’re the same as everyone else, we drop a lot of our prices for Log Cabins, Gazebos, Verandas etc to try to keep the sales coming. We have some crazy, crazy bargains during those three months. We practically make nothing on the products but it keeps things moving.

Weather Window and too cold

Of course some customers will want to wait until the weather is better, until it’s warmer. Granted laying a base can take longer when it’s wetter and churn up your garden a bit but if you can manage it and get your log cabin up it will be worth it plus you’ll be ready for next spring and saved a ton of cash!

I always tell customers that the only thing that is affected by rubbish weather is the fitter and never the building!

The joy of a log cabin install in the wet. I remember this morning, we had to remove a layer of snow off the roof and then it rained all day while trying to install the insulation and roof shingles.

The joy of a log cabin install in the wet and cold. You too could be enjoying yourself this much if you bought your cabin in the late Autumn / early winter 🙂

Agnes Log Cabin Feature

On the Agnes Log Cabin product page, we show you plenty of images of our customer’s Log Cabin to show you what you can do with them. As well as all the fine details on the dimensions, technical tips as well as our quality checks for each Log Cabin.

But, understandably, that just doesn’t do the Log Cabin enough justice. That’s why on this page we’ve collected as many pictures, videos and detailed reviews as we can to create this customer feature page, so here goes:

The Agnes Log Cabin With Shed Annexe

A 3.0m x 4.4m Shed And Summer House In One

Built using first rate timber from the Spruce trees of Sweden the 45mm Agnes Log Cabin measures 3.0 x 4.4m. Featuring double doors, two opening windows and separate access door to the shed annexe with a full height partition to ensure clear distinction between the two components.

Reviews:

With the double glazed double doors and two opening windows, you can see why the Agnes is preferable and our customers agree too- with an average customer rating of five stars. Here are a few excerpts from some of the Agnes Log Cabin Reviews:

“Just finished our Agnes summerhouse/shed, and very pleased with results and would recommend this to anyone with reasonable DIY skills. I also put insulation under the floor in the summerhouse area so we can make use of it in winter. I found the main door into the summerhouse tricky to assemble, but Tuin were able to provide very quick responses to my queries and help me on my way.” – Mr. C McMillen 

“This cabin is fantastic! It’s so nice I’ve recommended a friend to buy one!!
It’s top quality, logs are great quality and the quality of the doors are best I’ve seen. Very happy with the finished result and it sits lovely in the garden” -Mr. M Thompson 

“Delivery made easy with the transport company using their on board forklift. 4 hours later I had the Agnes cabin structure fully assembled on my own instructions easy to follow. Next day roof and doors installed with ease as again instructions were clear and simple to follow.The quality of the cabin is of a high standard and extremely attractive to look at. Storage area very spacious and the cabin is a good size for our purposes.” – Mr. T Taggart 

We also have a more detailed customer review, if you would like a little more in depth opinions backed with pictures of the installation process:

Installation:

The installation for the Agnes Log Cabin is a simple process, so long as you keep organised. You can find loads of information in order to be fully prepared for installing your Log Cabin on the Essential Installation Manual  as well as plenty of other Log Cabin Fitting Tips throughout the blog, from our expert (practically), Richard.

Here are one of our favourite installation sets of images:

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Installed:

And when installed and treated/painted… It really is brimming with potential.. Here are just a few of our favourite customer installs:

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Videos:

We have also received videos, so you can experience the Agnes Log Cabin from all angles, simply click on one below to start watching:

Customer Pictures:

If you would like to see more photo’s from customers please click on the picture below – Note: This will take you to our customers photo gallery hosted by Google Photos. Pictures may show older models or customer own modifications.

Agnes log cabin customer gallery.

With the additional side storage space and 45mm logs, the Agnes Log Cabin is ideal for a summerhouse or home office- even more!

The Agnes Log Cabin With Shed Annexe

A 3.0m x 4.4m Shed And Summerhouse In One

For more details such as measurements and the breakdown of what comes within the self build kit, please look at the Agnes Log Cabin product page.

If the Agnes doesn’t quite meet your fancy, then maybe you’ll prefer the: Emma Log Cabin, Asmund Log Cabin or the Aiste Log Cabin.

Log Cabin Offers

As we are preparing our 2018 catalogue, unfortunately we’re going to have to let go a few of our Log Cabins. So as a parting gift to some of our well known cabins, we are offering discounts!
See below for which cabins these include, this page will be updated as more offers come in, while stocks last!

In addition to these, we have recently added more offers around the site! Even with Log Cabins that will be staying in next years catalogue. You can start by looking in our Log Cabin page- these offers are available until the end of the year!

The Offers Available Are As Follows: 


The Gigamodern Log Cabin. 

The Gigamodern Log Cabin

Featuring a contemporary flat roof, storage shed and large open side shelter supported by two posts.

With flat roof, the 40mm Giga Modern Log Cabin is designed to imitate the wide, horizontal lines of the natural landscape. Perfect for adding a contemporary feel to any garden, this log cabin combines a storage shed and side shelter into one practical building.

The Gigamodern Log Cabin– Now available for £2,358!


The Supermodern Log Cabin.

The Supermodern Log Cabin

Flat roof Super Modern Log Cabin measuring 4.2 x 4.2m. With centrally positioned double doors flanked by two bottom-hung sash windows.

The Supermodern Log Cabin is a contemporary style Cabin with a sleek flat roof, centrally positioned double doors and high positioned windows. Made from 40mm Spruce timber, the supermodern is a stunning design that offers all year round use!

The Supermodern Log Cabin– Now available for £2185.50!


The Lisette Garden Office Studio.

The Lisette Log Cabin

The Lisette garden office studio measures 6.09 x 3.64m and features double glazing and double skin 19mm clad walls.

The Lisette is split into two, one side an enclosed office and the other open as a gazebo, this layout is perfect for a multifunctional garden building. Making this Log Cabin perfect to be used as: a summerhouse, garden office, art/music studio and more!

The Lisette Log Cabin– Now available for £3,819.85!


The Kajsa Modern Studio.

The Kajsa Modern Studio

A contemporary flat roof model in 19mm cladding, the Kaisja studio features a double door and two fixed windows. Dimensions are 2.72 x 2.01m.

This Modern Studio may be smaller in size, but doesn’t stop you from having crisp, clean lines from the Spruce Cladding. With the two fixed windows being adaptable for either side of the Cabin, this is a perfect Log Cabin for art/music studios.

The Kajsa Modern Studio– Now available for £1,268.90!


The Morten Log Cabin 

Morten Gazebo Log Cabin

A unique combination, the Morten features both a gazebo and shed annexe in one garden building. Measuring 3.5 x 5.0m and manufactured using 28m tongue and groove logs.

Who needs a separate Gazebo and Storage Shed when you have them both with the Morten? Inspired by the log cabin summerhouse and shed combinations, a full height partition creates a distinction between the two functions. It also offers flexibility with the Gazebo being able to be installed on either side of the Shed.

The Morten Log Cabin– Now available for £2,112.23!


The Amstelveen Modern Log Cabin.

Amstelveen Log Cabin

The Amstelveen 28mm Log Cabin measures overall at 5.82m x 2.48m- Including the incorporated canopy area.

A cabin that screams modern, the Amstelveen Log Cabin features a three measure length gazebo, with a 2.8m x 2.48m Cabin ideal for storage use or as a main summerhouse. The Amstelveen offers all the functionality and versatility of a conventional garden shed. Yet instead of panels, this building is constructed using interlocking 28mm Swedish pine logs.

The Amstelveen Modern Log Cabin– Now available for £1,410.19!


This page was last updated on the 20/2/2018

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Lennart Log Cabin Show Site Build

Hello everyone,

So as you may or may not know, I (Megan), haven’t been a member of Tuin for very long- which means that my knowledge of Log Cabins and installing them are limited to the posts I’ve read made by Richard.

He often mentions about how easy it is to install a log cabin but honestly, I thought it was mostly him talking from experience so when I was asked to capture the new show site buildings being installed- I decided to take this opportunity to learn as much as I could to improve my blogs and hopefully show you how I have evolved from a DIY newbie to a little less of a newbie. I’m considering of making this a series of all the new show site buildings that will be installed in the upcoming months, maybe we should call it ‘Megan learns some things’ or ‘From DIY newbie to not so newbie’. Obviously those titles are very bad, maybe you could leave a comment for your ideas below.

And also I must disclose, I am not a physical/manual labour type of girl. So my report on this will be through watching the installs, not partaking in them.

So, to get things started… 

The first new Log Cabin on the Show Site will be an updated Lennart Log Cabin to replace the previous one, we’ve even managed to persuade one of our apprentice sales assistants Andrew to join in with the installation, as this will be a great learning experience for him too.

Now, Andrew and I are very similar.. Both at the age of 18 with little DIY experience and always on a keyboard, we were definitely are out of our comfort zone.. Wish us luck!

Lennart Installation Plans

Now Andrew started off confident with this project, with the help of our two experienced servicemen we were confident that the Lennart will be installed by the end of the day! With the base already been made from the previous Lennart, it started off smoothly with Andrew going around in a square to fit in the wall logs.

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With only minor mistakes (such as almost putting in one of the incorrect logs at the front of the building till he soon figured afterwards why I was giggling on the sideline) he was doing well! Maybe he would of been better and avoided this by frequently referring to the Log Cabin plans. Though unfortunately our experienced men found this progress rather slow, so they soon started to help and the walls were quickly heightening.

Incorrect Log Example

If you looked at the log and looked at the plans.. That wouldn’t of happened..

As they reached seven logs (I believe) high, they installed the ‘half log’ for the window. Which turned out to be as simple as sliding the window into the grooves of the half log, when doing this I recommend to add a few of the smaller logs on either side of the designated gap to ensure that the window slid in straight, see below:

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Around about this time, Andrew began to structure the doorframe. Please note: That this actually was done the wrong way round (again, might of been avoided with the assistance of the Cabin plans..). Hopefully what I captured should explain what happened and how we resolved it, also take note of the captions of the images for more detail:

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With the doorframe in and a coffee consumed, it didn’t take long at all for the three guys to finish installing the walls of the Log Cabin, then straight onto the Apex. Now, admittedly I thought apex referred to a different material type, but it seems to be the triangular shape (in this case) that connects and supports the wall logs to the roof logs/purlins. Also, I have just been informed that I was likely getting it mixed up with perspex!

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As you can see above, the ‘slanted slots’ (as I call them) are cut out for the purlins on both sides, so all you will have to do is simply slide the purlins into both ended slots. We prefer to screw down the purlins into the apex for more security, it’s not strictly required.

Now… This is where things got repetitive (and slightly boring to watch). The guys then took the first roof board (for the overhang), ensured it was level and used the clout nails to secure the roof board at the top, middle and bottom of the board. Lining up to be nailed on the center purling, the middle/support purling and the cabin wall.

Lennart Overhang Roof Boards

Our roof boards are also made with interlocking timer, so its a fairly simple process to side the next roofboard in place, make sure its align with the previous one and nail it down. The interlocking process kind of reminds me of how you would install laminate flooring. Then you go onto the next one.. Than the next one.. Etc.

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For the last roof board there was a slight overhang, so to make it look neater we marked where the roof boards should finish and cut it to size using a circular saw.

Last Roof Board Adjustments

Then, you guessed it, you repeat with the other side! Admittedly, I left to continue to work in my warm office by the time this was happening. When I returned all of the roof boards were laid down and nailed- hurrah! We also added an edge/trim to the Lennart ready for the guttering to be installed fully leveled, this will happen after the cabin is treated.

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To finish off the body of the Log Cabin, Philip showed me how you would install doors for your Log Cabin. It seems to be a simple process of aligning the middle circular hinge in between the two already on the doorframe and pushing the provided pin in place. During this we had also noted that the door hinges appeared to look rusty, we apologise if this has happened to you. If you notice this on your Log Cabin Doors then please email us with pictures for reference, and our service team will send some new hinges for you to replace.

Double Door Installation

Then, came the monotonous part.. The one everyone tends to get bored of doing.. Fitting roof shingles. The shingles we used for the Lennart Log Cabin was our Red Hexagonal Shingles.  The process was long and I honestly spent most of it in the office, by the time I came downstairs to take this picture below, all enthusiasm and motivation from Andrew’s eyes were fading. He was tired, legs hurt (maybe after a few more show cabins he’ll be used to manual labour..) and was tired of lining up shingles. But it was all worth it in my opinion, by the end of the office day the Lennart was installed! And it looks stunning, amazing job guys!

Red Hexagonal Shingles

Over the next few days the Lennart Log Cabin will be coated with our Clear Carefree Protectant Treatment.

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I hope you enjoyed my view from this article on our new Lennart Log Cabin show building, and a big round of applause for Andrew who helped Wayne and Philip install this beautiful cabin. Let us know if you enjoyed this and wish to see more with our other future show site installs!

After watching this process, it really does seem that Richard wasnt oversimplifying the process- If you read and keep looking at the plans provided and read all of our pages for Fitting Log Cabins, it seems rather easy! Though it may get more complicated as the larger show buildings start to be installed.. And maybe if you yourself are carrying the logs and installing them.. I’ll keep you guys updated!

Again, I believe the process will be easier once you have read our Fitting Advice Pages.

You will also find more specific articles that may help when you look at the ‘Important Information’ tab on our Log Cabin pages.

There are also a few more showsite installation posts, like another one of mine with the Kennet Log Cabin as well as one written by our sales assistant in training, Becky helping with the Daisy Log Cabin and 28mm Storage Annexe!

If you enjoyed this post, you may like our other installation reviews sent in from our customers at: Pictorial Customer Reviews.